Thursday, January 19, 2012

Korean Women and Western/White Men: a Complicated and Troubled Relationship

       

This is a follow-up to my previous post about the heavily gendered imbalance of power within Korean society. Check that out for more of the backstory on the world that Korean women live in.

After a few months of living in Korea I realized that there was a stock set of questions that many people would ask me. Introductions usually involved questions about my nationality, hometown, marital status, age, religion, college major, etc. Other than the “Why aren’t you married yet?” questions, that all seemed like pretty much what I expected.

And sometimes people would also ask, with a sly grin, what I thought about Korean girls. I’m a white American guy, so the general assumption in Korea is that I must be insanely drawn to Korean women. Several middle-aged Korean businessmen even went so far as to loudly and proudly proclaim their belief that Korean women are the most beautiful in the world, and then turned to me to ask me if I did not agree. They seemed to really want some validation, of some kind. This line of questions made me deeply uncomfortable. I told them that I think there are beautiful women everywhere in the world, which is true.

I thought that the idea that women, as people, can be divided up and ranked by nationalities was pretty twisted, but I heard this more than a few times. That whole situation also kind of falls into the whole Korean illogical nationalism meme. Koreans are intensely proud of anything Korean, and love to expound upon this ardent belief. I did find it surprising, however, that this included a male Korean pride in the beauty of Korean women. I can’t imagine telling anyone that I think American girls are somehow “better” than women from anywhere else…

The whole scenario also made me uncomfortable because I didn’t like being stereotyped as another yellow-fever skirt-chasing white guy living recklessly and hedonistically in Korea. Xenophobic Korean political groups like Anti-English Spectrum love to publicize propaganda about how white men come here to corrupt and take advantage of Korean women, and how “90% of the white men in Korea are villainous human garbage.”

There is a long tradition of Koreans being embarrassed and upset about relationships between Korean women and Western men. This goes back to painful memories of the Korean War. In the 1950’s the country was destroyed and many people were starving. Some Korean women sold themselves to American soldiers as a way to survive. The stigma of that commonly seen spectacle has only recently begun to lift in Korean culture, and still many older Koreans get upset when they see Korean girls with Western guys. I have a Vietnamese-American friend who lives in Seoul, and many people assume that she is Korean, because she looks Asian. When we go places together I find myself met by hostile stares on the subway, walking down the street, and when we go into shops. Despite the fact that we speak only English together, and that she sounds quite American, us just spending time together makes people really angry. And we are just friends; it’s not like we make out on the sidewalk. Nevertheless, Korean people really think that I am another “bad” foreigner here to help myself to Korean women. And they are pissed.

It is true that there are lots of young Western guys in Korea that are interested in Korean women. And there is nothing wrong with that, in general. Love often blossoms across national, cultural, and racial lines, and that in of itself is a beautiful thing. It is expected and healthy to come to a foreign culture with a curiosity about its people, and part of that curiosity might be an interest in dating someone from another culture. Personally, I’m a white American guy, and my girlfriend is ethnically South Asian, with parents from Pakistan. (She’s Canadian.) I am a big believer in multiculturalism, and getting to know people outside of your own group. The world would be a better place if we all tried to learn more about each other. And, as an American, I firmly believe that the diversity of my country is among its greatest cultural assets. Learning about other cultures, and meeting people who don’t look like you is profoundly enriching.

But what has always troubled me here  is the shallowness of lots of the relationships that I see going on between Western men and Korean women. There is also a really troubling imbalance of power going on – one that Western guys, quite frankly, take advantage of too often.

Now this is a broad generalization, and so is dangerous. Obviously not everyone is like this, but I am writing about what I see every day, and this is a big part of expat life in South Korea.

If you come to Korea as a white Western man, you bring with you various forms of social, cultural, economic, and political power. First of all, you speak English fluently – which is an obsessively sought-after status symbol in Korea. Koreans would kill for your English, because if they could speak English like you they could have everything they want in life. That in of itself is incredibly intimidating to many people. Also, you bring with you all the power of whiteness. This power is so vast, and complicated, and operates in such pervasive and subtle ways that it is almost hard to describe. White people grow up knowing that people who look and sound and live like them run the world. Our culture is incredibly dominant. Companies and governments and organizations that were built and are run by white people control most of the money and power in the world. Whiteness is also almost always the standard of beauty in almost all cultures. Millions of people around the world put damaging creams on their skin, and poisonous chemicals on their hair, because they are desperate to appear more European-looking. And chances are, if you’re a Westerner your country has a lot more power and respect in the world than South Korea. This is especially true for Americans. Basically you come from the most powerful group in the most powerful society in the entire world. Your presence is inherently commanding and connected to lots of viscerally powerful things in the global political economy, whether you realize it or not.

And if you are a white Western guy in Korea that wants to date Korean women, then you are going after the most stepped on group in society in a very oppressive culture, in a country that has not much power in the world. There is a HUGE imbalance of power there.

Of course Korean women have some say-so in who they want to date. Lots of Korean women want to date a foreign guy. They see Westerners as having a lot of things they want in life: good English, knowledge about the West, possibly more money, a culture that allows them a lot more freedom. And it also helps that they have been watching movies and TV shows and looking at magazines their whole lives that are filled with good-looking Western celebrities. It’s exciting for Asian people to meet white people sometimes, simply because they are used to only seeing us on TV. When Americans go to China people take their pictures at bus stops, because they are such a curiosity. Many young Korean people also wish they could be more like us, because we seem to have a lot more freedom and happiness in life. Plus they feel insecure about their bodies, and wish they looked more like us. Witness the vast industry in double-eyelid plastic surgery and other painful attempts to create white-looking features on Asian bodies.

Westerners, especially Americans, are raised to be confident and to speak boldly about their opinions and their desires in life. Korean women, on the other hand, are traditionally raised to be demure, polite, submissive, obedient, and respectful. Of course, I know Korean women – some of the best friends I have made here – that are very independent and outspoken. But they are bucking the trend, and refusing to submit to a traditional Korean marriage. And they are hated on and judged by lots of people. They also probably have huge fights with their families about not living an “acceptable” life.

Lots of things come out of all this. For one thing, mediocre-looking, or downright fugly white guys – most of whom work in sub-professional English teaching jobs - are able to come to Korea and date women who are attractive, successful, and way out of their league. This is a legit phenomenon, and one that every Westerner living in Korea has observed firsthand. So many Western guys come here and really wanna date Korean women that the expat ladies have a really hard time dating. Some of them get really depressed about it, and compare themselves to super-thin impeccably-dressed Korean chicks that they couldn’t possibly look like. I have a few close female American friends that are having a terrible time meeting guys, because so many of them are off trying to date a million Korean girls.

But to me what is most profound and disturbing about the whole Korean-girls-Western-dudes thing is the power imbalance. The white guys just have SO much power, and they enjoy it way too much. It seems like they get way too much of whatever they want. They gloat it in. They are fawned over, and sought after, and they feel like gods here. I know a Canadian guy whose relationships back home in Toronto were all disasters, and who was too insecure to get laid. But in Korea he is dating an attractive marketing professional, and has hooked up with tons of willing Korean chicks, and now he never wants to go home – where he would just be another average guy. That is really sad to me, because all these relationships are pretty shallow. With the language/culture barrier in place, I just see him having a bunch of physical encounters that don't seem to mean much. 

Many Westerners in Korea have also watched their foreign male friends date Korean women, and get away with crazy shit that no woman would put up with back in their own countries. Right now I know a Canadian guy who has been married to a really nice Korean woman for a few years. And he treats her like total shit. He insults her, and embarrasses her, and condescends to her constantly. Basically he is just a really insecure dude, and I think he enjoys feeling superior to his wife way too much. He talks shit to her about Korea, jokes about how white people run the world, lords his mastery of English over her, and totally dominates their home. (Note that English is his first and only language, while his Korean wife speaks three.) Now that is some deep racial shit, as well as being bound up in the tortured manifestations of gender and international political inequality.

And simply put, this is what has always bothered me about a lot of the white guys in Korea. I have watched really lame guys come here, guys I would never wanna hang out with, and basically take their pick of women. Many Koreans assume that Korean girls are only using them for free English lessons, and maybe some are. But it really turns my stomach to see these insecure, lame, emotionally messed up dudes, capitalizing on, exploiting their status as white Western men. Plus lots of them are just assholes to their girlfriends and wives, who are generally better-looking and often smarter than them. After all, their relationships take place almost exclusively within the bounds of the English language. To be completely honest, ever since I came to Korea I have had a hard time making male friends. Lots of the guys here just rub me the wrong way, or seem dull, or seem arrogant, or are insecure and jealous. They seem to be here for all the wrong reasons.

So what is it that attracts insecure emotionally troubled white men to Korea? The answer to that question lies in the ways that Westerners often view Asian people, Asian cultures, and Asian bodies. Asian chicks are fawned over in the West because they are thin, cute, and assumed to be submissive.

I never wanted to date submissive women, because I like hanging out with funny confident chicks that have interesting opinions, so this psychology is really alien to me. But generally, it seems to me that lots of Western guys who are deeply insecure about their masculinity seek out relationships with Korean women because they want a woman who they think will be weak and passive. I see lots of Western guys here bullying, dominating, insulting, and generally treating Korean girlfriends in really shitty ways emotionally. But because of the language barrier, and because Koreans are not taught to speak up for themselves – girls especially, most of the time they don’t get called out for being shitty boyfriends.

I have to say, watching this shit go down really turns my stomach. It’s also embarrassing to me. Because I am a white guy, and I look like these douchebags, and I am tired of being assumed to be one of them. 

I also feel sorry for Korean women who wanna date outside their culture, and who may not know what they are getting into when they start dating a controlling and insecure white guy. Our cultures are so different that Koreans have a hard time understanding Western people’s personalities sometimes. Plus, Korean women are being chased by all these weirdos that want them to be symbols of passivity, rather than real people. As so often sadly happens to Asian American women in the West, I fear that many of them get into relationships with men that fetishize and abuse them. And that is just inhuman.

I never came to Korea to look for a submissive wife, or to chase Asian girls, or relive my adolescence, or exploit the power of whiteness. I just wanted to live overseas, meet new kinds of people, learn about the world, and teach English, and have a decent job. But these guys make me look like shit. And no one calls them out on it.

I gotta say it white dudes in Korea - it is really time to step it up. 

10 comments:

  1. I've also noticed what you just described and it's been only 4 months that I'm in Korea...While I have seen korean women with some total white douchebags...I also know korean women that are dating some pretty cool expats...fortunately! However, korean guys with expats..it's extremely rare and I'm wondering why. I'm a female expat and I often have the feeling that korean guys are totally afraid of me, and I don't think it's an attractive issue. Anyway, thanks for your blog, I like it! Julie

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  2. "And if you are a white Western guy in Korea that wants to date Korean women, then you are going after the most stepped on group in society in a very oppressive culture, in a country that has not much power in the world. There is a HUGE imbalance of power there."

    I'm not seeing the issue here. Korean men oppress Korean women, so white men should think twice/feel guilty about dating them? To... allow the oppression to succeed? To make sure Korean women don't realize they're being oppressed? To avoid attracting the ire of Korean men?

    I've been in Korea for 6 years, and I'm married to a Korean woman. What I have realized, and anyone else in a lasting, meaningful relationship with someone from another culture has realized, is that you represent yourself, and yourself only. I'm not 'white people', or 'white men', or 'British men'. I'm myself. My wife is not 'Koreans', or 'Korean women'. She's herself. Seeing someone as primarily an example of their race, culture, religion, age, nationality, or any other single factor is to read the subject far, far too simplistically.

    Douchebag white guys who treat Korean women as though they're disposable do so not because they're white, or young, or American, or Canadian, or British. They do it because they're douchebags. Naive young Korean women who date douchebags don't do it because they're young, or Korean, or oppressed. They do it because they're naive.

    And naive young women have dated young douchebag guys in every culture for as long as the human race has existed.

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  3. But to me what is most profound and disturbing about the whole Korean-girls-Western-dudes thing is the power imbalance. The white guys just have SO much power, and they enjoy it way too much. It seems like they get way too much of whatever they want. They gloat it in. They are fawned over, and sought after, and they feel like gods here. ... Plus lots of them are just assholes to their girlfriends and wives, who are generally better-looking and often smarter than them.

    If some Korean women tolerate their white partners' demeaning and boorish behavior in large part only because the women want to date white men, then these women are not as smart as you think they are. Consenting adults often wind up in relationships with partners who somehow complement them. How much sympathy should we have for someone who is so vapid as date someone else largely on the basis of race? Also, who cares about these women's physical qualities relative to those of their partners? In the end we all end up as shriveled husks, and based on the appearances of so many ajummas, I can say that some people much sooner wind up as shriveled husks than others.

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  4. I fully see your rant here, and it's warranted. Cheers for seeing the other side of an issue when you could choose to hog power yourself :)

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  5. Good post. I am in a similar situation to you in that I have a hard time finding male friends here and, being in a relationship with an American girl, am able to watch the white guy/Korean girl dating scene (and white guys here in general) with a grimace.
    I would add one point though, and that's that as white guys NOT dating Korean girls it's easy for us to sit back and rather complacently congratulate ourselves on not misusing our white privilege. But in fact, in every other aspect of our lives, we walk around surrounded by a huge cloud of shiny whiteness. It's really quite hard for us to know the real extent of just how often we are treated more kindly, given more trust, more readily given the benefit of the doubt, etc. etc., because of our skin. The only thing we can do it just bear it in mind, and try not to let it go to our heads!

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  6. The Korean women in your world seem like one dimensional victims. They don't have agency, no power over their choices. That kind of world view seems to reinforce the submissive stereotypes you argue against.

    There is also considerable potential for turnabout. How many 'successful' Korean women are really dating white men? I would argue that 'successful' Korean women are an extreme minority among the Korean women dating white men. A great many Korean women dating white men are more marginal types, including less attractive women from working class backgrounds that have family members that would accept an inter-racial relationship because the available Korean option is much worse. That goes for older Korean women, too.

    I also think that attempting to apply the theory of white privilege (which only ever makes sense in the American context even if you accept the theory) to Korea is fallacious. There are plenty of downsides to being white in Korea. Those downsides may even be greater than the upsides - it is too close to tell, so it doesn't constitute 'privilege'.

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  7. I am willing to bet dollars to donuts 80% of this post comes from the OP not riding the "gravy-train" he believes his fellow male expats are.

    Yes, being white is great in Korea, unless you want to get a real job. How many members of the Korean government are white? What about Samsung board members?

    The OP sounds more like some bitter date-less wonder who has decided to cloak his anger and jealousy in some left-wing guilt over "white privilege in Asia" and "gender imbalance".

    But don't worry! As his last passage tell us, he's "one of the good ones" you know! Not like one of those dirty liberal arts majors that date Korean women (While *GASP* living in Korea, who would have thought?!) Thanks for allaying our suspicions OP. I was really afraid you weren't pure and righteous there for a second. Truly a prince among expats. I'm sure Korea appreciates your Herculean efforts on their behalf.

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  8. Finally, I'd just like to interject that I detest the OP's snide classist jab at the man who speaks only English and who's successful girlfriend speaks three. Most Koreans don't speak anything besides Korean that great either unless you come from a very well off family. Many Americans have little or chance to learn another language when they are growing up because the options in public school are generally Spanish or nothing, and the opportunity to study abroad in another country is prohibitively expensive. I can go 1000 miles in any direction from my hometown and everyone still speaks English. I guess if you are rich and can afford to send your kids across the Atlantic or something you have a great shot, but for most people that's not an option.

    So, I guess, screw this guy for daring to be American and coming from a less than wealthy home. I guess screw her too, because even though she can have a successful career and speak three languages, she seemingly can't make her own decisions about dating, just needs (white) expats with their enlightened ideas to show her the true path.

    Maybe the reason he finds he isn't making many male friends around here is because he opens a conversation with them about how oppressive they are for teaching English and daring to date local women. I wouldn't want to hang out with someone who assumes I'm some kind of racist stereotype either. At least some bigoted Koreans have the excuse that they don't know many white people in general. I think I'll take bigotry from ignorance over spineless hand-wringing any day.

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  9. White privilege doesn't just exist in Korea: it's magnified. Anyone who has navigated a hagwon environment, for example, knows that white people are employed as avatars of Standard English and Western culture. POC are defined by the color of their skin far more openly and unhesitatingly than in the US. Surely no one can dispute this?
    Korea has been, in many ways, culturally colonized by the US and part of that is that it's inherited the US's structures of racism. The stereotyping of black people I see in my adult students' conversations and stage performances is a facsimile of US racism. The corollary of this is that Korean people also revere whiteness and white culture. I realize the starkness of this statement, and I would never question a Korean's pride in being Korean or suggest that Korean people want to BE white - but when an entire class of adult students confess to me that they would never had signed up to my class had I been a POC native speaker, what other conclusion can I come to than that my students love my whiteness?
    Surely this is no secret? As another blog points out, Korean people love appropriating black culture, but without the black people. To a man, my students will giggle when South East Asia is mentioned. There is an awkward silence when they find out my girlfriend is Vietnamese-American.
    To repeat my point, does it not follow that Korea is in love with whiteness? Some still believe that white people are victims of 'racism' in Korea. The use of this word when, for example, an old man gets angry at someone, or they are served slowly in a restaurant, is laughable when compared to the depth of meaning in actual racism. Isolated incidents of prejudice simply do not amount to systematic racism. The truth is quite the opposite: whiteness is a boon in Korea. It takes magnanimity to recognize it, accept it, and deal with it.
    On the same note, I don't think the OP is condemning all white guy/korean girl relationships, and I think he would be perfectly open to one himself, were he single (though maybe I'm just projecting my own stance onto his). Rather, I think he would say that it's imperative for white people in Korea to address their position in this wider social/racial picture.

    Finally, to address on point directly: "There are plenty of downsides to being white in Korea. Those downsides may even be greater than the upsides". I would be genuinely interested to hear what you think the downsides of being white in Korea are. Personally I believe that the occasionally awkward thing I encounter has more to do with language problems or my foreign-ness than my whiteness. On the contrary, I would say that my whiteness COMPENSATES for my foreeign-ness.
    I would also say that it is one of the features of privilege that it hides itself from those that have it. We have had white privilege since the day we were born and so we simply don't see how it operates. It's my opinion that there are many 'upsides' that exist which you simply don't notice (and nor do I, unless I look with real scrutiny).

    I think I might have repeated myself a few times in this, so thanks for your patience.

    Oh, and at the risk of going on far too long, leaving race aside and talking about gender: I want to say that I agree with the comment that this article steps very close to ignoring the agency of Korean women, and being a little condescending... when we see a beautiful Korean woman walking down the street with a lumpy-faced white man, we have to remind ourselves that we know NOTHING about their relationship or its power balance; we simply cannot assume anything.

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  10. Hi @ Feb 8, 2012 08:28 AM

    I gave some concrete examples on the latest post. Media bias, etc.

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